Top Two Divisions Attendances and Table From 40 Years Ago!

Last week I posted the top flight attendances for this last week forty years ago and this led to a number of comments/questions and so to answer some of those I’ve now posted the top two divisions attendances together with the two League tables AND the end of season average attendances. People asked for clarity on how the figures compared to the second tier and whether League position played its part in affecting crowds. As a reminder here’s last week’s attendances…

And here’s this week’s (published 24 November 1985) and the League table too.

Obviously, these are only snapshots from that season but to add a bit more context here are the end of season averages here are the top 46 best supported clubs in order that season (hopefully it might make those who sing songs like ‘Where Were You?’ think about the crowds at their own clubs first):

A few notable League positions for those who do sing ‘Where Were You?’… The top eight clubs in the League were: Liverpool (champions), Everton, West Ham, Man Utd, Sheff Wed, Chelsea, Arsenal and Forest. Manchester City (who were 4th best supported club) were 15th (only 4 points above relegation zone), Spurs were tenth, Newcastle 11th and Aston Villa 16th.

In the Second Division best supported club Sunderland were 18th (avoiding relegation by 4 points); the top four were Norwich, Charlton, Wimbledon and Portsmouth.

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Attendances 40 Years Ago!

These two results tables for top flight football in November 1985 make interesting reading. I’ve included the details published today (17 November, for games played the previous day) in 1985 and also the week after’s details too. This gives an idea of what the top clubs were attracting back then. Notice West Ham’s game attracted more at home than Arsenal’s and that Liverpool were over 26,000 less than Manchester United. Arsenal’s crowd was 6,000 less than struggling Manchester City and Tottenham attracted more than Arsenal too. Reigning League champions Everton were some way ahead of the London clubs and only about 600 behind Liverpool. Obviously, these are only snapshots from two weekends but hopefully it might make those who sing songs like ‘Where Were You?’ think about the crowds at their own clubs first.

the Marwood scoring for Sheffield Wednesday was of course Brian Marwood who went on to play a key part in Manchester City’s modern return to glory. If you’d like to know more about Manchester City at this time, here’s a 2,500 word subscriber feature on the 1985-86 season. Enjoy!

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Tevez v West Ham

On this day (28 September) in 2009 Manchester City faced one of Carlos Tévez’s former sides, West Ham. The Hammers were swept aside with a 3-1 victory.  Tévez (seen here with Mark Hughes at his signing) netted twice and Martin Petrov scored the other at the City of Manchester Stadium (now the Etihad).

Malcolm Allison joins Manchester City

On July 20 in 1965 Malcolm Allison was formally interviewed by the Manchester City board to be manager Joe Mercer’s assistant. Mercer had wanted to bring Allison in since he took the job earlier in the month. Here is a feature I did on Allison back in January 2005.

I first interviewed Malcolm in 1991, and, using material from several conversations with him, and in 2005 I took the opportunity of a MCFC v Crystal Palace game to remind everyone of his significance. Today, for subscribers, I’m posting it here.

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The 1980s: Ian Brightwell

This is something I wrote a few years back about Ian Brightwell. I hope you enjoy it… Of all the players to appear in City’s 1986 FA Youth Cup winning side, Ian Brightwell is the one who ended up having the longest playing career with the Blues.  He remained at Maine Road until 1998.  By that time he had played for a total of ten permanent managers and numerous caretakers in a 12 year first team career.  It’s a wonder any player could cope with so much change.

He made his debut against Wimbledon on 23rd August 1986 (their first game in Division One), around four months after the Youth Cup success over Manchester United:  “Billy McNeill gave me my debut in the opening game of the following season against Wimbledon.  He told me a few days before that I’d be playing.  He came up to me and told me, and I couldn’t believe it.  I’d only just turned 18, but I had a few days to prepare.  We won the game 3-1 and it helped me that Steve Redmond was already in the side.  Of that Youth side Reddo was first in and then it was me, and I remember us watching to see who would be next.  My second game was at Anfield and that was a great experience.  We drew the game 0-0 but how we got away with that I’ll never know.  We were battered.”  

Brightwell made 12 League appearances plus four as substitute that season, but it was not a great time for the Blues as City were relegated at the end of the campaign.  Billy McNeill had left early in the season:  “I had great respect for him and was really disappointed when he left.  He was a real legend – first man to lift the European Cup for a British side.  Jimmy Frizzell took over, so that helped as it was more of a continuation.  But for me it became the norm that managers would be changed.  I don’t think Billy should have left when he did.  I’ve still got great respect for him as a person and of course as a football manager.  I’ll always be thankful to him.”

Under Mel Machin the following season Brightwell became an established member of the promotion seeking side before the arrival of Gary Megson limited his chances for a while:  “It was a strange season because it was the first time as a group those of us from the youth side weren’t winning.  I know we’d been relegated the previous season, but by 1987-88 a few of us were regulars in the first team.  We were disappointed and felt we should have done better.  I missed the 10-1 against Huddersfield, but I appeared in the 6-2 against Plymouth a few days later.  Those games did bring a lot of attention our way, but I’d rather City be consistent.  We weren’t good enough overall, but the following year that experience helped push us on.  But it was difficult in 1988-89 as well.  It’s a tough division to get out of.”

Promotion was achieved on the last day of the 1988-89 season in a nerve-wracking match at Bradford:  “The pitch invasion followed.  I was carried off on fans’ shoulders and had half my kit ripped off me.  In the dressing room I remember thinking how close we’d been to missing out.”

The following season there was yet another managerial change and Howard Kendall was brought in.  Under his guidance Brightwell was given an extended run in the team and, on 3rd February 1990, he scored his most memorable goal.  It was a marvellous 25 yarder against Manchester United at Old Trafford:  “I remember that the ball was out on the right and Mark Ward sort of half-crossed it.  It came to me and I’ll never forget this – I heard Steve Redmond on the half way line shout:  ‘Bob…’ I’d best not say his exact words, but let’s just say he wanted me to have a go in his strong scouse accent!  It was on my left foot, which isn’t my strongest, but I did what Reddo said.  It went in the top corner!

“I ran off and jumped about twenty feet in the air – or at least that’s how it looks on the photos.  I remember the noise because back then the away fans used to get about 10,000 tickets at Old Trafford and it was phenomenal.”

Afterwards an excited Brightwell, when asked to explain how he’d scored, told the media:  “I just wellied it!”  It became the expression of the season and seemed to match everybody’s impression of a boyhood dream come true.  

In the years that followed Brightwell performed consistently and was loyal to the City cause.  Many of his former youth team colleagues were transferred or, in the case of Paul Lake, suffered serious injury, but Brightwell remained:  “It was odd once the others went.  They didn’t all go at once and of course Lakey was injured, but it did feel different.  We’d known each other as a group for about 15 years, so a big loss.  But my incentive was always to stay in spite of everything else.  I actually think that if we’d have had continuity of management during that time that we’d have all stayed.  If that had happened… well just look at United.  They had a crop of talented youngsters about ten years after us like Butt, Scholes, Neville, and so on and they grew as a team.  We never got that chance.”

There were some bright moments for the Blues in the early Nineties, however the second half of the decade saw City plummet through the divisions.  In 1998, after relegation to the third level of football, Brightwell moved on:  “It broke my heart to see City fall so low but I still didn’t want to leave.  It was a difficult decision but Joe Royle had explained that the Club couldn’t offer me a contract at the level I was on.  In the end I had to go and I moved to Coventry who were still in the Premier League, but my first impression was that this was such a small club in comparison with City.  They may have been two divisions higher but in my mind there was no comparison.

“It didn’t work out at Coventry and I became injured.  I kept going back to Manchester to watch City whenever I could.”

After Coventry Brightwell played for Walsall (including an emotional return trip to Maine Road), Stoke and Port Vale, before moving into coaching.  In 2004 he was caretaker manager of Port Vale and, in 2006, he performed a similar role at Macclesfield.  In 2007 he became Macclesfield’s manager on a permanent basis, but was dismissed in February 2008.  He admitted in 2010 that Tony Book and Glyn Pardoe, who had been City’s youth coaches during the Eighties, remained influential figures throughout his career:  “It’s difficult to stress how important Book and Pardoe and some of the others were.  When I moved into coaching and, of course, management at Macclesfield, I used a lot of the things they said.  They were so influential and if you think about where they got it from – well that was Malcolm Allison and Joe Mercer.  You can’t get any better.  Tony Book used to always say ‘control and play’.  It sounds simple but in essence that’s what the game is all about and I still use that.  Tony and Glyn used to drum it into you in the A team.”

To the wider world Ian Brightwell may not be the most well-known player from City’s 1986 FA Youth Cup winning team, but in terms of commitment to the Blue cause and longevity he was certainly one of the most dedicated.  He was also a passionate Blue from childhood:  “It was the team I supported and I used to go down to Maine Road.  Colin Bell was nearing the end of his career when I went but there were people like Asa Hartford, Peter Barnes and Gary Owen.  City were still a major side at that time.  I remember the year we missed out on the title by a point to Liverpool (1977) – we should have done it.  Tony Book was manager and the players were a different class.  It was great to watch.”

During his career it was often highlighted that Brightwell came from a family with a great sporting pedigree.  His brother David also played for City, while his parents were successful British Olympic athletes:  “I couldn’t ask for a better sporting pedigree.  My mum (Ann Brightwell nee Packer) won a gold and a silver in Tokyo and my dad (Robbie) won a silver.”

On this day (9 May) in 1987 Manchester City were relegated after a 2-0 defeat at West Ham (see match report).  At the end of the game City supporters and West Ham fans climbed over the fences and onto the pitch. Some thought that the two sets of supporters were about to confront each other, but the fans knew differently. The Hammers began chanting “You’ll be back” and both groups swapped scarves and souvenirs on the pitch. It was the kind of moment that should have been widely reported in the media but at the time focus tended to be on hooliganism and confrontation rather than the positives of football support. City had been relegated, but their supporters did not seek revenge.  The West Ham fans could have ridiculed, but they didn’t.  If only those condemning football fans at the time could have seen the two sets of loyal supporters genuinely appreciating and understanding each other.

The relationship between the fans of the two clubs is not something that is widely discussed or promoted but it is something that has endured. City fans have never forgotten the ‘You’ll be back’ game and in recent years, as others have unfairly mocked both sets of fans, the supporters of both the Blues and the Hammers seem to understand and respect each other. Inevitably, there will always be banter during a game but outside of the match the mutual recognition and respect always seems to win through.

To many West Ham are the City of the South – a proud football club with a great history and heritage, combined with a loyal and passionate fanbase.

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West Ham 2 Manchester City 2

On this day (15 May) in 2022 City fought back from 2-0 down to draw 2-2 to keep the Premier League title in their own hands. Jack Grealish made it 2-1 four minutes into the second half when his volley deflected off Craig Dawson and over Lukasz Fabianski. City’s second was an own goal by Vladimir Coufal, who headed Riyad Mahrez’s free-kick into his own net.

You can see the action from City’s 2-2 with West Ham United here:

https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/west-ham-manchester-city-premier-league-extended-highlights-63788208

The 1980s: You’ll Be Back!

On this day (9 May) in 1987 Manchester City were relegated after a 2-0 defeat at West Ham (see match report).  At the end of the game City supporters and West Ham fans climbed over the fences and onto the pitch. Some thought that the two sets of supporters were about to confront each other, but the fans knew differently. The Hammers began chanting “You’ll be back” and both groups swapped scarves and souvenirs on the pitch. It was the kind of moment that should have been widely reported in the media but at the time focus tended to be on hooliganism and confrontation rather than the positives of football support. City had been relegated, but their supporters did not seek revenge.  The West Ham fans could have ridiculed, but they didn’t.  If only those condemning football fans at the time could have seen the two sets of loyal supporters genuinely appreciating and understanding each other.

The relationship between the fans of the two clubs is not something that is widely discussed or promoted but it is something that has endured. City fans have never forgotten the ‘You’ll be back’ game and in recent years, as others have unfairly mocked both sets of fans, the supporters of both the Blues and the Hammers seem to understand and respect each other. Inevitably, there will always be banter during a game but outside of the match the mutual recognition and respect always seems to win through.

To many West Ham are the City of the South – a proud football club with a great history and heritage, combined with a loyal and passionate fanbase.

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The 1950s: West Ham Utd 2 Manchester City 4

On this day (31 March) in 1951 Manchester City won 4-2 away at West Ham with goals from George Smith (2 goals; photographed here in a game at Maine Road v Manchester United), Johnny Hart and Dennis Westcott. The attendance was 21,533.

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The 1960s: Denis Law Signs

Today’s article on the 1960s is free for anyone to read and tells the story of Manchester City signing Denis Law back on 15 March 1960. There’s also film here of his debut and a great colour film of City and Law that season (see below). City manager Les McDowall had been after signing Denis Law for many, many months before he finally signed the Scottish striker for a British record fee of £55,000 the day before the transfer deadline on 15 March 1960.  It had been a tense negotiation.  Law himself had expected to join Arsenal to link up with his Scottish colleague Tommy Docherty, however, Huddersfield were adamant that they could not sell Law for anything less than £55,000.  

Ken Barnes welcomes Denis Law to Maine Road, 1960

It all came to a head at Leeds Road where Arsenal had sent coach Ron Greenwood to negotiate a good deal.  At the same time City, represented by Les McDowall and Chairman Alan Douglas, were keen to sign the 20 year old Scotsman.  The Gunners had only given Greenwood power to offer £25,000 plus David Herd, making a total of £50,000, whereas McDowall and Douglas were able to discuss the pros and cons of offering more.  The discussions and negotiations went on while Law himself was playing Table Tennis in the games room.  When the young player was summoned he quickly realised that his move to Arsenal was off and, after less than ten minutes, he agreed to join the Blues at a cost that was said to be three times his weight in gold.

Denis Law’s Manchester City debut 1960

Law made his debut a memorable one by scoring in the 4-3 defeat at Leeds on 19th March 1960.  You can view Law’s first goal for City here:

I think the commentary was added some time after and that the commentary was done in a studio over the top. The commentator (is it Stuart Hall?) mentions City’s kit as being old gold and black but colour film of kit from that season shows City wearing yellow and maroon – as can be seen in this wonderful film from that same year which includes Tottenham v City from about 5 minutes in:

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-saturday-fever-1961-online

Eleven days after Law’s debut he scored again as City defeated West Ham 3-1. He made one other appearance, away at Chelsea, before the player became the subject of his first controversy at the Club.  Law was selected to play for Scotland at Hampden Park on 9th April – the date of the vital home game with West Bromwich Albion – and the City management took the view that playing for your country was more important than playing for your club.  This angered many supporters, who realised that a Law-less City would struggle and that relegation was still a strong possibility.  The Blues were only two points above the relegation zone.

The controversy heightened when other clubs took a different view and refused to release players.  The City Board then felt justified in asking the League for a postponement, but the League refused.  In the programme for the game, the Board outlined their views and explained how the circumstance had occurred.  The article ended by stressing that the situation of club V Country cannot be allowed to continue.  

As expected, without Law the Blues were defeated 1-0.

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The 1960s: 1962-1963 Paying The Penalty

Continuing the series of features on the 1960s, here’s a subscriber article on Manchester City during the 1962-63 season. If you’d like to read this 1900 word article, plus all other articles on the site, then please subscribe (see below). As with most of the other features in this series it includes words from interviews I have performed with those who were there.

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