Hyde v Preston – A Record Breaking Day

On 15 October 1887 one of the most remarkable FA Cup games of all time occurred at Preston and featured Hyde FC, who were formed in 1885 at a meeting attended by approximately forty men in the White Lion public house.

At the start of the 1886-87 season one of the giants of the period, Blackburn Rovers, were invited to Hyde for a friendly which Hyde lost 8-0 but afterwards members of Blackburn’s side stressed they believed Hyde had potential.

These comments encouraged Hyde to enter the FA Cup the following season and they opened the 1887-88 season with a friendly against significant opposition with Bolton defeating Hyde 8-1. 

Preston had arranged a fixture with West Bromwich Albion and wanted to play the FA Cup tie midweek instead. Hyde, because of the complications a midweek game would have caused, rightly refused and, as a result, Preston made it clear that they would do all they could to win the match – in those days friendlies were often perceived as being more lucrative than FA Cup ties (actually we’re back at that point now in 2020s England for some clubs!).

The game commenced on 15 October 1887 at 3.30pm and within five minutes Fred Dewhurst headed Preston’s first goal and the score reached 4-0 after approximately twenty minutes. 

According to reports the Preston goalkeeper didn’t touch the ball until the twenty-fifth minute when he took a goal kick, but by this point Hyde was already a struggling side and almost immediately after the goal kick Preston challenged Hyde’s goal again with Hyde conceding three goals in five minutes. By half time they had scored twelve goals.

Hyde commenced the second half determined to demonstrate an attacking spirit and they briefly put Preston under some pressure but Preston soon regained the initiative and the goals flooded in. 

Match reports simply list the scorers from this point on as, presumably, the pace was so frenetic that it was impossible for the reporters to record the general action, and the final score was 26-0. There had been significant controversy and confusion as Hyde’s centre-back Bowers had left the pitch with a sprained arm at 3-0 and Preston allowed the Hydonians to bring on another player for the second half even though substitutions were not allowed at this point in football history. Presumably they had felt a half time twelve goal lead was enough of a cushion. 

Famous Lancashire cricketer and footballer Richard Barlow played his part in the large victory as he was the referee, emphasising the continuing existence of a local sporting elite that crossed the conurbation. 

Barlow had played an additional five minutes during which time Preston’s last goal was scored and the reason this additional time was played remains unclear, although some suggested the referee was simply too involved with the action to check his watch, while others over the years that followed claimed his watch had stopped and that an additional ten or fifteen minutes had actually been played. 

Whatever the truth this was a remarkable victory for Preston. Despite the scoreline, Hyde’s goalkeeper Bunyan was regarded as one of the best players on the pitch. The referee, himself a former goalkeeper with Manchester Association, was equal in his praise when reflecting on the game in 1908: ‘I may say that had the Hyde goalkeeper not been in good form, North End would have materially increased their score. I have never seen such splendid passing and shooting in my life. The old Preston team would, in my opinion, be at least two goals better than any team in the field at the present day.’

After the game Hyde and Preston regularly played each other in friendlies, and the two sides also met to raise money for the victims of the Hyde Coal mining disaster of 1889 – that same year Newton Heath LY&R and Ardwick met under floodlights at Belle Vue to raise money for the families. Walter Chew, the Ardwick secretary, was responsible for organising the floodlit match in February 1889, which raised £240 for the families of the twenty-three killed in the disaster. This is believed to be the first floodlit association match played in the area, although there is anecdotal evidence to suggest that Preston played against Ardwick at Hyde Road around the same time under artificial light and there was also a meeting between Everton and Ardwick on 10 March 1890 under artificial light. 

In 1987 Preston and Hyde United met to remember the 1887 FA Cup tie. This time Preston defeated Hyde 4-1 on their plastic pitch at Ewen Fields.

In the FA Cup Hyde were drawn away to Preston North End, who had reached the semi-finals the previous season and were recognised as a leading side. For Hyde, the game was expected to be exceptionally tough, however there was some controversy pre-match. 

Scored in Consecutive Games for Manchester City

I’ve received separate queries from two major national media outlets today asking whether a record will be set if Semenyo scores in his third consecutive game. They wondered if any player had scored on his debut and in his next two games. Hopefully he’ll play (and score!) against United on Saturday (17 January 2026) but, incredibly, that won’t in itself be a City record as there’s definitely one City player who scored in his debut and the three games that followed (4 consecutive games). There are also others who have netted on their debut and the two games that followed (three consecutive matches). Here are the facts…

One of the media companies mentioned Adebayor and the fact he scored on his debut and in the two League games that followed, making three consecutive scoring League games. That’s true he did, but there was a League Cup tie in between the 2nd and 3rd Premier League games and he didn’t score (he did play). That makes two consecutive games.

There are many City players who have scored in 2 consecutive games such as David Cross in 1982; Stan Bowles in 1967 etc. but there are a couple of players who scored in 3 successive games (regardless of competition) and there’s even a player who scored in 4 consecutive league games (no other game breaks his sequence).

The players/sequences are:

4 consecutive games – (all ‘old’ Div 2/2nd tier): Jimmy Ross – 4/3/1899 (2 goals v Barnsley) & 18/3/1899 (v Walsall) & 25/3/1899 (2 goals v Burton Swifts) & 31/3/1899 (v Gainsborough)

3 consecutive games – Billy McAdams – 2/1/54 (v Sunderland, top flight) & 9/1/54 (FAC, 3 goals v Bradford Park Avenue) & 16/1/54 (top flight v MUFC, so a potential parallel with Semenyo if he scores)

3 consecutive games (all top flight) – Jack Dyson – 8/10/55 (v Sheffield United) & 22/10/55 (penalty v Birmingham City) & 3/12/55 (v Burnley).

There was a big gap between Dyson’s 2nd and 3rd appearances. He’d got his first chance due to injury to striker Bobby Johnstone, then returned to the reserves. His next chance came when he was selected ahead of the great Don Revie (who was having issues behind the scenes with City’s management). Dyson then kept his place for most of the season.

I have to stress I don’t have a comprehensive list of players who scored on their debut and then went on to have a sequence of scoring but I do feel the above are worthy of mention. Jimmy Ross is an interesting figure – he was one of the Preston Invincibles in 1888-89 and scored 7 (occasionally reported as 8) v Hyde in Preston’s 26-0 victory over Hyde in the FA Cup. Ross was a teammate of the brilliant Billy Meredith at City and Meredith often claimed his success back then was down to Ross. Sadly Ross died in 1902 while still a City player.

You can read more on Jimmy Ross here:

An Official Programme from October 1900

Here’s the Official Programme cover and Manchester City comments (below), published on 27 October 1900 for City’s game with Derby at Hyde Road. Back then the programme was a shared one with Second Division Newton Heath (later United) and a couple of rugby clubs. the comments below on City’s performances and preview of the Derby game are interesting. The 3-0 game it opens with was City’s 3-0 Division One defeat at Sunderland. The Monday game it mentions was a 2-0 victory over Newton Heath in the Lancashire Cup.

The ‘Doctor’ mentioned lower down was City half back William ‘Doc’ Holmes. The preview suggested this would be a tough game for City, though the return of Jimmy Ross was welcomed. Ross, a former Preston Invincible, was a key member of the side and he’d been sidelined for the previous six League games.

The match with Derby ended in a 2-0 victory with both goals scored by Fred Williams. If you’d like to find out more on this season for Manchester City then why not read the following 1200+ word article telling the story of 1900-01? Why not subscribe and read this and all the other content on here? You can even try it for a month at a time if that works best?

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The 1900s: 1903-1904 The FA Cup

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The 1900s: 1902-1903 Maley’s The Man

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The 1900s: 1899-1900 First Division

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The 1890s: 1898-1899 Manchester’s First National Success

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Preston and City Great: The Death Of Jimmy Ross

One of the earliest stars of League Football died this month (12th June) in 1902. Jimmy Ross, who was a major figure for almost three seasons with Manchester City and had competed in every season of League football since the League was established in 1888, died with an illness described as “an acute skin disease and a raging fever.”

Ross was one of the Preston ‘Invincibles’ in 1888-89 and also scored 7 (sometimes reported as 8) against Hyde in the famous FA Cup record breaking game (read more on that game here: https://gjfootballarchive.com/2021/02/22/hyde-v-preston-a-record-breaking-day/ ).

At the time of his death Ross was a Manchester City player. His last first team appearance was appropriately against Preston North End in the First Round of the F.A. Cup in January 1902.  

City helped his mother, whom he was looking after at the time of his death, financially.  They also arranged the funeral and he was buried at Southern Cemetery (according to newspaper reports of the time he was buried in a grave that contained another City player – Bride – who had died a couple of years earlier). Several City players/personalities carried the coffin, including Billy Meredith.

More can be read on Ross’ life here:

The Great Jimmy Ross