You’ll Be Back: MCFC and WHU 1987

As Manchester City visit West Ham today (31st August 2024) in the Premier League I thought I’d post a small feature remembering a relegation game in 1987 that entered folklore as the You’ll Be Back game. What was it all about? Here goes…

City and West Ham fans have developed a special relationship over the years. There has been a mutual recognition of the journey our clubs have been on.

The biggest demonstration of the special relationship between the fans of the two clubs came in May 1987. City were relegated after a 2-0 defeat at West Ham.  At the end of the game City supporters and West Ham fans climbed over the fences and onto the pitch. Some thought that the two sets of supporters were about to confront each other, but the fans knew differently. The Hammers began chanting “You’ll be back” and both groups swapped scarves and souvenirs on the pitch. It was the kind of moment that should have been widely reported in the media but at the time focus tended to be on hooliganism and confrontation rather than the positives of football support. City had been relegated, but their supporters did not seek revenge.  The West Ham fans could have ridiculed, but they didn’t.  If only those condemning football fans at the time could have seen the two sets of loyal supporters genuinely appreciating and understanding each other.

The relationship between the fans of the two clubs is not something that is widely discussed or promoted but it is something that has endured. City fans have never forgotten the ‘You’ll be back’ game and in recent years, as others have unfairly mocked both sets of fans, the supporters of both the Blues and the Hammers seem to understand and respect each other. Inevitably, there will always be banter during a game but outside of the match the mutual recognition and respect always seems to win through.

To many West Ham are the City of the South – a proud football club with a great history and heritage, combined with a loyal and passionate fanbase.

I reckon that City and West Ham fans have a shared understanding of football history, status and achievements with supporters aware of their club’s traditions, rivalries and shared history. The two clubs’ roots are very much based around hardworking working class areas of their cities with the supporters of both the Hammers and the Blues coming traditionally from the working classes. In recent years an analysis of the original shareholders at the majority of Football League clubs identified that by 1900 City’s shareholders came mostly from the working class – a larger percentage than at any club other than West Ham who had a slightly higher percentage. This demonstrates that those who owned both City and West Ham were representative of the fans on the terraces and that these clubs were similarly organised and run. As a result of this both clubs were representative of their communities in ways in which their nearest local rivals were not at the time.

Both clubs have enjoyed stylish, attractive football over the years with a belief that the game should be an entertainment. The roots of this go back decades at both clubs with West Ham’s Ted Fenton and Ron Greenwood influencing men such as Malcolm Allison and John Bond who managed the Blues. 

Recently, City fans were delighted to see Manuel Pellegrini and Pablo Zabaleta become Hammers following a line that includes other popular Blues such as Ian Bishop and Trevor Morley.

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Liverpool 1 MCFC 3 – John Bond’s Views on Liverpool’s Reaction

TALKING CITY: Sven-Göran Eriksson

It has taken a few days to find but back in October 2011 I interviewed Sven-Göran Eriksson for a feature I did back then called ‘Talking City with Gary James’ – it was a feature I did for the Manchester City match programme. To mark Sven’s passing here are the words from the full piece as originally published. I always feel it’s best, where possible, to highlight an individual’s views on their career when they die rather than something less personal.

Here goes:

Earlier this season (2011-12) Gary caught up with former City manager Sven-Göran Eriksson as he prepared for a Championship game with his present side Leicester City.  Sven moved into coaching in 1975 after a knee injury had brought a premature end to his playing career.  By the time he was 40 he had found UEFA Cup success and won domestic honours in Sweden, Italy & Portugal.  In 1999 he guided Lazio to ECWC success (with Roberto Mancini in his side) and later managed England to the 2006 World Cup quarter-finals.

A year after guiding England to the World Cup quarter-finals you decided to return to club management.  Your record suggests you could have gone anywhere and there were certainly various other clubs rumoured to be interested, but you chose City.  What were the specific reasons for joining the Blues?

It is a huge job and a huge club.  With new owners in place and the club in the Premier League, I felt that they were prepared to match my ambition and invest in new players.  I never for one moment regretted taking on the role.

Was the Club what you expected when you arrived?

Yes, definitely. It was and still is a good club, with great people.

Many fans felt the Club had stagnated for a while, so when you came it lifted spirits enormously.  Supporters loved your time at the Club and your presence boosted everything from atmosphere around the place to fans’ self esteem.  That was very important.  Could you feel that at the time?

Of course, Gary.  I felt it, yes.  We hit the ground running with some excellent football, entertaining the supporters and winning games.  I had a very good feeling around that time, and I sensed that the fans shared that feeling.

They did absolutely.  How did the fans treat you when you arrived?

They were first-class as they always are.  Recently, when I came back to the stadium with Leicester City for the FA Cup 3rd round replay (2010-11), they were great to me then and they will always mean a lot to me.

Your arrival brought immediate results.  You started the League season (2007-08) with three straight victories (West Ham 2-0, Derby County 1-0 & Manchester United 1-0) and topped the table.  What are your memories of these games?

We had six or seven players who had just signed for us and started very well, playing good, entertaining and attacking football.  I remember the Manchester United home game, when Geovanni scored.  We may have been a little fortunate, but it was a great result.

You made some excellent signings during your time at City, which player impressed you most and why?

There were many players we brought in who I thought had a great impact on the team, but I would have to say Elano and Martin Petrov – they were first-class.

I think their immediate impact was the most impressive part.  It all seemed to fit together nicely at that time, and the fans certainly appreciated the immediate transformation.  There were also several quality players already at City when you arrived.  Which of these impressed you the most?

A collection of players did very well and impressed me.  I would probably pick out Michael Johnson, who was a great talent and I am very pleased to have him on loan at Leicester, Micah Richards, Nedum Onuoha, Richard Dunne and Joe Hart.  I also felt that Stephen Ireland was incredible in training, he had such ability.

You mentioned earlier that City had new owners.  This was, of course, the early days following the takeover of Thaksin Shinawatra.  What did you make of him?

At the time he was very good for the club, no doubt about that.  The previous season they were struggling and then he could be seen, perhaps, as the transition between that period and what is going on at the club now (following the takeover by Sheikh Mansour).  

Is there anything you would like to ask Thaksin if you met him now?

I hope that one day he may actually explain to me why I was sacked, as he never did at the time.

City had some great results, including the Old Trafford victory over United to complete a double, what did you feel was the best game during your time and why?

Yes, that (United match) was definitely the game for me.  It was a very memorable match.  The club were a little concerned about the fact that it was on the anniversary of the Munich Disaster, but no one needed to worry as the City fans observed the silence perfectly.  It was such a silence I seem to remember that I actually felt it, if you know what I mean?

Yes, I do.  I was in the away section and had been a little annoyed that in the build-up to the match people had assumed City fans would disrupt the silence, but most genuine fans knew the truth.  I wrote several articles in the build-up to the anniversary explaining what it really meant to fans.  Post match City’s support were rightly acclaimed for their impeccable behaviour.  Thinking about the end of the season, can you explain why the final match at Middlesbrough ended in a 8-1 defeat?

Mentally we were not right at all that afternoon and obviously the scoreline reflected that.  It was a bad day, one that everyone wanted to forget and no one wanted to be a part of.

After the season ended you went on the Club’s tour to Thailand, was that a surreal experience and how did it feel knowing how the future was likely to go for you?

It was very strange I have to say.  A lot of people didn’t really want to go, but I urged people to go as we needed to show our professionalism.  In the end, I think the staff enjoyed the trip and the time out there was probably welcome given how things had gone at the end of the season.

How did your dismissal come about?  There were lots of rumours of you being dismissed before the Middlesbrough match.  Would you have stayed if asked?

I was told in Thailand, definitively that my time at the club was over.  Given the choice, of course I would have wanted to stay.  We were keen to build on what we had done in the first season and improve in the second season.  I had another year on my contract, so for me it was very disappointing the way it all ended.

Now that your former player Roberto Mancini is at City and found success, how do you feel the Club will develop?

I am certain that City will be one of the most important clubs in world football, I have no hesitation in saying that.  They have invested in quality players and also in improvements off the field.  They will be in the elite group of teams with the likes of Chelsea, Manchester United, Bayern Munich, Barcelona and Real Madrid.

That’s nice to hear and I hope it’s true.  Remembering your time in Manchester, what was the highlight and why?

I liked the job, the place and I loved the people too, but the weather I could do without.  It was too short a time to be there, but a time I look back fondly upon.

I think most fans share those views, although we have got used to the weather a little.  Apart from Manchester’s rain, what was the biggest disappointment and why?

The sacking of course, nothing else comes close.

Any final thoughts you’d like to share with fans?

Yes, Gary.  I want to wish Roberto, the club and the supporters all the best of luck.  Manchester City is a great club, one of the best and I hope that next season we will be able to join you in the Premier League.

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The Champions League Draw

Well, the draw has been made for the newly enlarged Champions League. The dates of fixtures will be confirmed once the Europa League draw has been made but here are the fixtures for Manchester City:

  • Inter Milan (H)
  • Paris St-Germain (A)
  • Club Brugge (H)
  • Juventus (A)
  • Feyenoord (H)
  • Sporting Lisbon (A)
  • Sparta Prague (H)
  • Slovan Bratislava (A)

The Inter Milan fixture will be a nice reminder of the 2023 Champions League final. You can read about that here:

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The First Three Point Game

The first time Manchester City earned three points for a win came on this day (29 August) in 1981 when City defeated West Brom 2-1. The new points system had been introduced for that season (it’s not that City had gone a decade without a win or anything!). The idea was that 3 points would encourage teams (especially away teams) to play for a win instead of a draw. The old system gave two points for a win and some teams, including several 1970s title winners, went out looking for draws away from home it was felt.

SAAB & City

On this day (28 August) in 1982 Manchester City should have played their first League game with a sponsor’s name on their shirt. However the match was televised and in those days TV did not allow clubs to wear sponsors names in televised games. The match was a 2-1 win away at Norwich and City’s first sponsor was the car company Saab.

New signing David Cross scored the opener after 3 minutes and 5 seconds (below) and we all thought this was going to be a great season. I won’t spoil it by saying what happened the following May!

New signing David Cross scoring after 3 minutes and 5 seconds at Norwich, August 1982

Here’s another SAAB & City photo from later that season:

The Noel Gallagher Interview

It seems an appropriate time to re-release this… Back on Thursday May 20 2021 I interviewed Noel Gallagher about his support of Manchester City, Pep, Europe and more. It was great for two Mancs of a similar age to get together to chat about City. I really enjoyed it.

Here’s part one:

Part two:


Part three:

Part four:
https://gjfootballarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/noel-gallagher-part-4-1.mp3

Part five:


Thanks to Noel and the staff at his studios & office for making this happen.

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Former Manchester City Manager Sven-Goran Eriksson Has Died

Former City and England manager Sven-Goran Eriksson has died at the age of 76. My thoughts are with is family and friends.

Back in 2007 Sven arrived at Manchester City and brought positivity, entertainment and so much more in an extraordinary season. The season began with a great start which included City defeating Fergie’s United 1-0 in Sven’s first derby. His City career ended with him having a 100% win record in the derby. Here’s a video of Geovanni’s goal:

Thanks Sven for a great season.

MCFC V Ipswich: Abandoned Match

The last two games abandoned at Maine Rd were actually both meetings between City and Ipswich. Here’s a reminder of one of them. It’s the 3 January 1994 meeting. After 39 minutes City’s game with Ipswich Town was abandoned with the Blues winning 2-0.  The scorers were Vonk and Ingebrigtsen – his only League goal for the Blues was expunged from the records as a result!

The referee David Elleray angered the City players, especially Tony Coton, by abandoning the tie due to a waterlogged pitch.  As a fan I wasn’t particularly happy either! The pitch had been appalling at the kick-off and perhaps the game should not have commenced.  Naturally, it was a big disappointment at the time.

As I mentioned, I was at this abandoned game in the ‘new’ Platt Lane Stand. Were you also at Maine Road that day? If so why not leave your memory as a comment or email it to me for possible future use on this website?

You can read more on the 1993-94 season here:

David White Double v Liverpool

On this day (21 August) a Wednesday night meeting with Liverpool ended in a 2-1 victory for Manchester City. You can see highlights of the game (and relive the days of night matches on the Kippax/at Maine Rd) including two David White goals here:

Swift Return

On this day (20 August) in 1949 Frank Swift was talked out of retirement following health problems with Manchester City ‘keeper Alec Thurlow.  Swift’s return match ended in a 3-3 draw at home to Aston Villa, watched by 43,196.  Here for subscribers is a profile of Alec Thurlow (Unfortunately, it’s a sad story!):

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